Forum Activity for @Beth Mansfield

Beth Mansfield
@Beth Mansfield
11/16/09 09:26:18
5 posts

Alcohol in Chocolates


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

In the contradictory state of Ohio, no alcohol is allowed in confections without a license - and yet they have no provisions to issue licenses to confectioners. But you can add vanilla and other flavorings that contain alcohol. The key is it can't be an alcohol meant to be consumed as a drink. Who makes up these rules? How do you label alcohol that's been cooked down to reduce its percentage? And does the flavor suffer? Does anyone have any good flavor alternatives to Cointreau, Brandy, or Amaretto? I feel that in Ohio we are at a competitive disadvantage to the rest of the country. And how about the issue of shipping. Do those of you in states that allow alcohol content have to be careful not to sell to minors? And can you ship anywhere to anyone? I'm trying to decide if I should become an activist in politics. Is there a chocolate lobbying group? Jeez - Prohibition all over again. Ship truffles to Congress. Forget the budget deficit, health care reform, etc. By God, I want alcohol in my truffles! Ok, I'm done ranting. But I would like to know what y'all are doing on this topic.
updated by @Beth Mansfield: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/16/09 09:02:30
1,696 posts

Round paper boxes


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

There is no photo attached to this post. It would help us to answer the question if we knew exactly what you were looking for. Reply to your original post and then either click on the camera icon to load the photo directly in your reply or click on the Upload Files button below to add the photo as an attachment to your post.:: Clay
ShacolatKonfections
@ShacolatKonfections
11/15/09 17:50:08
4 posts

Round paper boxes


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I have been looking for a "unique" type of packaging for my chocolates while I came across this round box. I contacted the company but it was just a stock photo. I have been looking all over for a round box and I never realized how hard it really is. I can only find the clear plastic ones. Does anyone have any ideas on where I could find them without customizing my own.Thank you
updated by @ShacolatKonfections: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Mustapha Baztout
@Mustapha Baztout
11/30/10 14:20:57
1 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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i run a chocolate workshop called artisan chocolate workshop and allways looking for quality boxes.

[ED: the author of this comment is in the UK - so is probably looking of UK/EU sources]
updated by @Mustapha Baztout: 09/11/15 22:18:48
Cyndi
@Cyndi
04/29/10 09:01:58
4 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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You should consider attending the Fancy food show in NY in June There are tons of companies that showcase their wares at the show. Also the philly Candy and gift show in September. there you will see samples and get many ideas for packaging. Good luck!
Claire North
@Claire North
04/29/10 00:01:27
13 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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You guys are all so cool...thanks and I will look into it..I already have some boxes but want to go another route at some point......I really am just a new comer but what i lack I make up for in enthusiasm..haha. What amazes me about this industry is that it is ever changing and one can never learn too much....
Claire North
@Claire North
04/28/10 21:45:36
13 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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What kinds of costs are we looking into here? I am just new and do not have a ton of money
Stacy Hankinson
@Stacy Hankinson
04/28/10 19:03:45
3 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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We we just looking into alternative packaging and into investing into our own printer that would allow us to print directly onto box lids, tins, etc. The majority of our clients want custom packaging. (logos or custom designs with runs of 100 up) It would be interesting if we could offer this service to other chocolate providers. I would love to hear any other interest?
Claire North
@Claire North
04/24/10 09:25:26
13 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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Just being nosey but what did you do for the christmas fair..I make 3-d sleighs and trees etc
Claire North
@Claire North
04/24/10 09:23:23
13 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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Oh I agree with you...I searched high and low and finally had to settle with www.boxandwrap.com...I chose the red with a gold stripe but they have not yet arrrived so i cannot tell you if they are what I want or not....I think the white ones in particular are BEYOND boring but just like you I am starting out and do not have the budget and it is not like the economy is such at the moment that you can make a lot of money straight away....
Jenny Zhan
@Jenny Zhan
01/04/10 21:36:01
5 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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custom-made boxes is expensive in US, but if you made it in China, it will be much more cheap. visit www.winwaypackaging.com , it may helps.
Bud Stockwell
@Bud Stockwell
12/27/09 19:37:46
18 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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Check out aspecialtybox.com for some more nice boxes. I second the poster who mentioned Chocolat-Chocolat and finally, I use sweetpacking.com for my one level up for standard packaging. For my boxes I just give away, I use Mod-Pac. They are fantastic with turnaround time on a wedding boxes when you need custom imprinting.
Bud Stockwell
@Bud Stockwell
12/27/09 19:32:40
18 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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That's a great Idea. I have a bunch of their boxes with wood sides and the mahogany chests. Thye are expensive and we don't sell tons of them but a refund on the refill could really help. ThanksBud
Brad Reardon
@Brad Reardon
12/17/09 16:23:35
2 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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I understand the craziness in packaging. I kinda went the other route however. I am a flights of fancy kind of person (also read ADD) ;-) so I brought in my other hobbies. I have made some glass boxes with Torches and Kilns. I also did some glass blowing for a bowl for my best friend's wedding. I realize this may be a bit off topic as one of your concerns was price, but I have utilized friends and family as well. For instance, our idea for Christmas was to have everyone decorate a box. I put in the chocolate and we do family friendly games to end up with a box other than your own.I have several artistic friends who do tatoos and the like as well. I buy the blank white boxes in bulk and send them over. When they come back they are anything but boring. The reusable nature of these is a tad limited though. I have also found that small fundraising efforts can bring out artistic and more helpful individuals. Think Elementary school kids selling boxes of chocolate with hand drawn lids.So anyway hello from a fellow newcomer. I hope something in all that helped.
Andy Ciordia
@Andy Ciordia
11/18/09 09:05:36
157 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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You need to start somewhere and your packaging is always evolving. Start with something you can feel comfortable with whether paper, plastics, recycled and spice it up with your own flair whether it's in stickers, ribbons, etc.Then when you have the budget you can move into something like Mod-Pac or Glerup and get your boxes built from the ground up custom. It's just a huge burden at the startup phase due to the run sizes.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/16/09 21:33:25
1,696 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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Ask and ye shall find. This just in . The JL Clark company is offering digital printing on metal tins in runs of 500 or fewer, on 30 different shapes/sizes of tins.
Susan Donnelly
@Susan Donnelly
11/16/09 20:42:09
2 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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Nashville Wraps has some cacao paper window boxes. They are made of cacao leaves and come in 4pc, 5pc, and 9pc. Kind of pricey but they are fantastic! Not sure what they could be reused for but customers seem to enjoy that they are all natural and can be recycled. Good luck!
Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
11/16/09 15:48:52
98 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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Brilliant, I really don't know what I would do without all this help, you guys are the best! Clay, Nashville had exactly what I had been looking for for weeks locally and no one had it, unless I had it made. Now I can focus on labeling and making chocolates. Then try my wares for the first time at a local Christmas craft fair to see how they do! Up and onward! Thanks again everyone! I owe you one!
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/16/09 09:21:10
1,696 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


Posted in: Opinion

I might start looking at some of the following sources: Distant Village Here are some Distant Village boxes sold through Nashville Wraps, part of a larger line of "eco-friendly" packaging.Although I can't talk about the eco-friendly credentials of Nakazawa , they do offer a broad range of excellent stock box options as well as custom fabrication. Here's a source on Etsy I found. Pricey at retail but they do wholesale and custom orders using handmade-to-order paper.
Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
11/15/09 18:50:06
98 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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ah now we're talking, that's more up my alley, perfect thanks Melanie! A little pricey but then you are getting something nicer which I also think mentally reflects on the quality of your chocolates. just a visual thing. I'll have to look through it more and find something reasonably priced, I have a problem of having grande thoughts with a very small budget since I'm just starting out. But it's a step in the right direction...the search continues.
Melanie Boudar
@Melanie Boudar
11/15/09 14:02:30
104 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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Cocolat-chocolat has beautiful boxes. They are fairly expensive but I offer the customers a small credit to come recycle and refill the boxes and many do.
Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
11/15/09 13:19:07
98 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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That's a good idea to refill. I looked at the tin boxes and they are the best bet so far. Good to know I'm not crazy and others have this problem too. The custom boxes would be perfect but I would be bummed if I went through all that effort for it to become land fill, which is what I want to avoid! I will keep searching! any other suggestions I am all ears.Cheers
Christine Doerr
@Christine Doerr
11/15/09 12:11:45
24 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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I know what you mean. I hear this comment often. I couldn't find what I was looking for so I had it made. Expensive, yes, but I got exactly what I wanted, priceless!I've seen others use tins and suggest their customers "refill" the tins by ordering more truffles/chocolates. I hope my customers keep my custom-made boxes and reuse them, "They are too nice to just throw away."
Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
11/14/09 21:54:33
98 posts

Chocolate packaging & boxes, something special?


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I am looking to package my truffles and chocolates to one day sell but the only things I can find that fit are the standard white truffle boxes etc....boring in my opinion. The other option is gold, silver or black, again... my opinion kinda of old fashion. I would really like a rigid, recycled box ideally but can't find those unless i have them made, to expensive. I may be a little crazy but I want something that stands out not just for the chocolate but the packaging to, it would be great if it could be reused by the end customer. Any suggestions?
updated by @Dirke Botsford: 04/30/15 09:08:36
Jeff Stern
@Jeff Stern
11/17/09 13:28:00
78 posts

Help - Couverture on truffles is cracking.


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You might want to do a hand coat first-put a dollop of tempered chocolate into your hand and roll the truffle around in it. Let the chocolate set. This first thin coat will strengthen the second coat and prevent cracking. Then dip your truffles again.To bottom, use a stencil with tempered chocolate to form bottoms (aka chablons, see http://www.shopchefrubber.com/home.php?cat=1540 ), then pipe your filling on top, let set, and dip.
Valerie
@Valerie
11/16/09 05:10:00
29 posts

Help - Couverture on truffles is cracking.


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There were three types - raspberry ganache, caramel ganache and whiskey ganache. They were all rolled to a round shape. I'm not familiar with the term bottomed (but curious, would love to know the process). I thought the chocolate was tempered perfectly and it did take around 7 minutes to set. The finished truffles have a nice sheen and color, but cracks on half...
Valerie
@Valerie
11/13/09 06:32:16
29 posts

Help - Couverture on truffles is cracking.


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Nope, they were at room temperature. I got interrupted while making them so I covered them with plastic wrap and came back about 2 hours later to temper the chocolate and dip them.
Valerie
@Valerie
11/12/09 19:39:37
29 posts

Help - Couverture on truffles is cracking.


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Yesterday I made a batch of truffles and the couverture that I coated them in (53% valrhona) cracked on 50% of them. It happened after they were set and I left them out at room temperature to set. This has never happened to me before and I cant think of a reason why it would have happened. Anyone else have this problem before or any ideas why it would have happened?
updated by @Valerie: 04/11/25 09:27:36
kenneth mensah
@kenneth mensah
11/11/09 02:47:23
4 posts

step by step how the process is carried out


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good morning sir.i learnt you replied to my post on the broma process. i couldnt find the information on the broma process, that is why i am contacting you now. plz i would like to know step by step how the process is carried out. i would be performing the extraction process in the lab, so when you get me the info i would scale it down to the standard operatable in the lab. your help is important for my project work. thanks in advance.my email: captainken1@ymail.comweb: www.captainken1.webs.com cell: 00233 54 3613409 GH.
updated by @kenneth mensah: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Jason Whitney
@Jason Whitney
10/04/12 12:01:48
1 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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Hi Brad. Is there a possibility I could chat with about your equipment knowledge skills. I have a special application and needs some guidance.

Jason 10-04-2012

vincent mourou
@vincent mourou
04/07/11 10:20:42
5 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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Hi Duffy,

How many pounds of cocoa nibs can you work with at a time in a ECGC65? The website says 65lbs but just thought your experience might be helpful.

Thanks,

Vincent

Adam G.
@Adam G.
12/16/10 13:02:41
20 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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I too share the same concerns regarding food safety Clay mentioned and like David would like to see more in a selection of winnowers. Has anyone gone through the process of getting a homemade winnower (or any equipment for that matter) approved for commercial use - either formally or simply getting a pass from a health inspector?

For example, what if I where to build this one using food-grade materials? What challenges would I face using this in an approved manner?
[Presently set aside issues related to production rate and time-to-build vs. cost - which are quite valid - for this particular design.]

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
09/06/10 07:58:06
1,696 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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Rafael:There should be quite a bit of used machinery in Ecuador. You might want to check through Tulicorp or one of the other processors to see what they have or can get. Do you have a budget for equipment? I am also curious - are you planning to make chocolate from beans or melting and flavoring chocolate to make bars, bonbons, etc.?
Joaquin Villafuerte
@Joaquin Villafuerte
09/05/10 17:13:07
1 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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Hi guys,I red all comments about machinery, prices, risk and quality.I am looking for cacao machines, used, or new. Reasonable price.Id like to process chocolate bars and bombons, in the first stage.My production could be 400-1000 lbs/month.Could anyone help me with this?Thanks.
updated by @Joaquin Villafuerte: 09/08/15 01:50:25
Brent Peters
@Brent Peters
06/21/10 18:26:50
7 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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I agree with Clay 100% on food safety. Never take for granted that you are producing a food for people and in this litigious day and age I wouldn't cut corners. Also, as Clay mentioned, the peanut butter scare created some serious problems for affiliated producers. As a result, it's not only going to effect peanut processors but anyone manufacturing a packaged food product. The Food Safety Modernization act is about to become law and it's going to be costly and time consuming to comply. I won't say it's not necessary, but it only takes one reckless company to create headaches for the honest ones. I recommend anyone starting out in the USA, to get the FDA involved early on in your process. Find out who does the inspections in your area and contact them. It was the best advice I received. Unless of course you plan to stay under the threshold for enforcement. Although, you won't be exempt from lawsuits.On the equipment side. I started seeking equipment back in early 2007 and the options, especially for winnowing, were very limited. In fact, I contacted Commodity Processing and they dug up the plans and built the unit for me. I now have one of the BLT winnowers, the smaller Winn-15 and I can tell you, it is worth every penny and very affordable. Let's put in perspective too, even at $77k for the 150, your next option for a new machine would be a large industrial winnower for probably no less than $500k, and you would be lucky to get it in your building.I can also vouch for Kim and John Vessa at BLT, they are honest people, very professional, and it shows in their machines. They've also been in the manufacturing side of the food industry for a long time and Kim knows her stuff as her background is in confectionery technology. She offered up her knowledge at no cost and her advice was invaluable. John's no slouch either. If you take the time to meet them and visit their facility you will see it firsthand. My winnower is all stainless steel, accessible for cleaning, and contains the necessary signage for warning operators. If you have staff and they get injured without them, you're done. It doesn't matter if you built it yourself or not. I spent time in risk management and compliance for a manufacturing company and I've seen what can happen, even with the simplest machines.Just my two cents, I'm not being paid by BLT for my statements. Anyone starting out now, is fortunate to have them as an option.Best,David MasonBlack Mountain Chocolate
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
06/04/10 14:33:33
1,696 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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One of the issues that does not get covered in these discussions is why equipment costs as much as it does.While it is possible to build inexpensive solutions like the ones outlined in this discussion and others, problems arise when moving from a hobby stage into manufacturing for commercial sale - which is where serious food safety and liability issues arise.To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as food-contact-safe plywood. Anything in a food manufacturing facility made of plywood should instantly fail a health inspection. In the US, you can't even use plywood as a housing for parts that don't come in direct contact with food because of concerns with preservatives and solvents in the woods and glues. NSF-approved stainless steel is a lot more expensive than plywood and a lot more expensive to work with.Food safety has a range of concerns, the most important of which is that you don't want customers to fall ill from consuming your product. On a practical level, should you get sued by a customer who gets sick and they find out that you've been using non-approved materials to fabricate your equipment well, you can count on your insurance not covering those bills.Another thought to consider is the potential impact on the still-small craft chocolate market here. Remember a few months ago and the peanut butter scare? It didn't matter if you bought your peanuts from a supplier that was safe no one was buying peanuts. What would happen to the craft chocolate market if a customer got sick? While it doesn't make sense that all craft chocolate makers would be affected, history has proven, time and again, that consumer's react emotionally and not rationally, so a food scare is likely to have a relatively broad affect.Other reasons that much food processing equipment (and equipment for chocolate is included in this list) is that the parts are designed and built to industrial tolerances and duty cycles, not the duty cycles of home appliances, and the fact that they tend to be made in small runs. Anyone who's had a 5-liter countertop grinder knows all too well that they weren't designed to run continuously for 8 hours let alone 48 or 72. Longer duty cycles require that everything be built accordingly and that's more expensive.In looking over all the wonderful designs that have been proposed here on TheChocolateLife, it's important to keep food safety in mind. The plastics being used may be food-safe, but are they getting cleaned properly? Is everything that comes in contact with the cocoa is food-contact-safe (did you remember to sanitize the inside of that PVC tube before you started winnowing - and to sanitize it regularly)? Before you move from being a home hobbyist to selling chocolate to the general public, it's worth considering the implications of food safety on your equipment choices.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
05/31/10 09:30:47
1,696 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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This is an edited version of Brad's response to his own reply.Apparently Clay has had some pushback from my incendiary posts above. He's asked me to delete my posts, and I've agreed. However I don't readily know how to do that. Instead, now that I've openly slapped a company I think is ripping people off, I'm going to substantiate my claims, and help those of you who are looking for a winnowing solution for your business:CRACKINGYou can buy a good quality cracker from Commodity Processing Ltd in the UK for about $3500 USD, which allows you to completely control the size of your cracked product. One of these units will easily do 100lbs per hour all day, every day without fail. It's a product I use in our shop. (Don't buy their fanning device. I did. It's a POS)John Nanci on Chocolate alchemy also sells a hand unit that you can attach to an electric drill for about a hundred bucks. I started with this, and it works ok, until you get into more industrial long term use. It would be a good start for an artisan.You can then have the nibs fall from the cracker directly into the rotating screen (described below).WINNOWINGWinnowing is about airflow and particle separation. Airflow can be created by both suction and/or blowing. The challenge with cracked cocoa is the disparate sizes of the beans and shell, so the first thing that needs to happen is that the particle size needs to be made uniform.Traditionally screening cocoa is done using a series of vibrating flat screens. The problem with flat screens is that eventually, they clog up with nibs and need to be cleared out by an operator. They are also very very noisy. A better solution (one that I've designed) is a cylindrical screen that the nibs, once cracked, tumble into. The screen is tilted 10 degrees and slowly tumbles the nibs and shell, causing the large pieces and large shell to tumble out the end, and the smaller pieces to fall through. The benefit to this design is that it's not noisy, and the large pieces that get caught in the screen fall out once the screen rotates to where the nib is at the inside top. This design also requires only a small servo motor and a belt to keep the screen turning. Nibs and shell that fall out the end, can continue to be run through the cracker to create more uniform pieces, until such time as product falls out the "reject" end of the rolling screen. Screen size should be no larger than 3/8 ths of an inch.ONCE THE NIBS AND SHELL HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU HAVE A UNIFORM MAXIMUM SIZE PRODUCT, AND LOTS OF OTHER SMALL SIZES.DUST COLLECTIONA single cyclone dust collector with a particle bag, and heppa filter can be purchased from any large woodworking supply company for just a few hundred dollars. I purchased mine at Busy Bee Tools here in Calgary for $269. It creates the CFM draw I need, doesn't use a whack of electricity, and plugs into any standard North American wall outlet.3. Blowing: You can purchase a series of enclosed fans from any commercial fan and motor supply store for a couple hundred bucks each. the fans you need put out about 300CFM each, and allow a cervo control to be attached (like a dimmer knob on a light) so that you can control the fan speed as it's blowing.4. Winnower design: Create a box (plywood works) about 4 feet tall, and 1 foot by 1 foot wide, with slopes inside. On one side of the box, cut holes and mount your fans. On the other side of the box cut a slot and mount one of your dust collecor input hoses. The top of the box is open, and is where you dump the nibs. As the nibs fall into the opening, they are directed by the slopes you add to the inside of the box, INTO the airflow of the fan at a 45 degree angle. The fan blows the shell through the nibs, and UP another slope into the airflow of the dust collector. You have three fans mounted on this box, so the nibs pass through the airflow three times, then fall out the bottom of the box and into a bin, ready for use.Not only is this a system that can be designed and built for less than a thousand bucks, it's scaleable, so that as your business grows, you can build more boxes, with more fans, and just increase the size of your dust collector.[ this paragraph removed because of offensive language ]
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
05/30/10 10:56:22
1,696 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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This conversation, with a different emphasis, is being continued here.
Dave Elliott
@Dave Elliott
05/30/10 04:49:00
17 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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Thanks - I'm at the early stages of designing an artisan shop and this detailed info is invaluable!
Wendy Buckner
@Wendy Buckner
05/29/10 15:45:31
35 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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Much appreciated Brad! Thanks! ~Wendy
Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
05/28/10 22:36:04
527 posts

Has anyone used the NETZSCH chocolate machines?


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Ok everyone.... My mistake.The quote I received was even MORE INSANE!This company wanted $77,000 USD for the winnower, and ANOTHER $5,000 for the feed hopper that goes on top, so the operator doesn't have to keep feeding beens into the machine.Note, that this doesn't include shipping (quoted weight of 2,500lbs), the cost of the air compressor, set up, and electrical work needed.By the time it's all said and done Frankenstein will cost you about $90,000 to winnow 8 sacks of cocoa beans per day.I've attached the PDF quote I received from Kim Vessa on January 11, of this year.Talk about pricing yourself right out of the artisanal marketplace..... Wow....Again, this is JUST MY OPINION. You can accept or reject it as you see fit.I have written quotes for their others as well, and for the 15kg version, the likes of which you can find plans on the Internet which will process the same amount, they wanted $11,000.00 not including shipping, set up, electrical, etc, etc. Again, by the time you're done it's a $15,000 kick in the keister.Why not just design one INTELLIGENTLY - like maybe a scaleable one - and sell it for a price that an artisan can actually afford?Brad.
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